The Times (and People) are a Changin’, Arrow “Lost in the Flood”
Change has been a HUGE part of this season on Arrow. Some characters have changed for the better, others for the worse, some haven’t changed at all and someÂ appear to have changed but actually haven’t. It goes without saying (but I’m going to say it anyways) that Oliver has been the focal point of the discussion for the most part.Â Can he change? Or has the island changed HIM forever? Felicity broke up with him over this. He left the city and returned over this. Bad guys have gotten away because of this. And he has gotten in some MAJOR conflict with hisÂ team over this. I’ll admit, I have seen some small changes in Oliver over the course of the series, but it’s hard to say whether he can or will change in all the ways being asked of him. Nevertheless, that is a question I can’t answer and probably won’t be answered Â by the show anytime soon. Luckily, this episode addressed change in some of our other characters so instead of trying to answer the unanswerable, let’s look at the changes ourÂ other characters have been through, both in this earth-saving episode and beyond.
Donna – Donna, Donna, Donna. As the one who was throwing around the “c” word (change)Â in everyone’s faces this episode, I figured she would be a good place to start. And from what I can tell, this woman has not changed at all. And honestly, she could use it. While I recognize thatÂ her self-centered-ness is one of her quirks, I have to say that it actually really bothered me this week. Telling Quentin to sacrifice his job last week just to be be noble was bad enough, but finding out that she had not only separated Felicity from her father but then lied about it is a whole different ballgame. First and foremost, she has been so adamant and angry about Noah’s lying, so to find out that she actually lied about him leaving, well, that just didn’t sit well with me. I’m not saying that Noah was a good dad or that what Donna did wasn’t in Felicity’s best interest, but to then paint Noah to be the “bad dad who left” all these years, that just doesn’t seem fair.
Felicity: What did Noah mean when he said he didn’t have much choice in the matter when he left? I always just assumed he disappeared.
Donna: He didn’t disappear, hun. I did. We did. I had a 7-year-old daughter and I knew all about the gambling and I wasn’t about to take the bet that your father could possibly change.
Felicity: HeÂ let me believe that he abandoned us.
Donna: Well, I don’t know what to say about that, I think he just didn’t want you to lose your mom, too. Hey, look at me, I didn’t lose you, did I?
Not to mention that right after she admits to doing thisÂ once, she does it again! I get wanting to protect your daughter, but at this point, Felicity is old enough to make her own decisions and from what we can tell, Noah might actually have a heart and the potential for change.
Donna: Leave. And this time, don’t come back.
Donna: You helped Felicity tonight, maybe it’s because you’d be nuked too, maybe it was a broken clock, being right for once. Either way, we know it wasn’t you. You know who you are. Are you really gonna stand here and tell me that you’ve changed? You’re every bit as dangerous to our daughter as the day I took her from you. If you care about her, you will walk away.
Noah: After everything that’s happened, she’ll be crushed.
Donna: She’ll survive. She’s strong. She’s my daughter. You can lie to her, but can you lie to yourself. Can you really believe that leaving isn’t the best thing for her?
To me, this all feels like Donna being super selfish and wanting Felicity for herself…or maybe just not recognizing what it is that Felicity needs or that people are capable of change…but either way, I don’t like it. And frankly, I’m a little frustrated that Felicity was so understanding about it. Her whole world and history was built on the idea that her father left her and suddenly tada! He didn’t actually walk away! He may have been generally absentee, but gone for good, nope. I’m surprised how well Felicity handled this…don’t get me wrong, having to save the world is a pretty good distraction…but I’m hoping this is addressed again next week.
Noah – Speaking of Noah, without knowing what he was actually like back in the day (or would’ve been like had Donna not run off), it’s hard to say if he’s really changed. That being said, the fact that he has been acknowledging what a bad father he was makes me think he has the potential to improve — admitting you have a problem is the first step, right?! Nevertheless, we also learned thatÂ just because he wasn’t in Felicity’s life (thanks, Donna!), doesn’t mean he didn’t want to know how she was doing. An off-handed comment made it clear he wasÂ keeping tabs on her and following her hacking-progress, which is sweet in a kind of twisted, criminal-esque way. And we can’t ignore the fact that he did show up and help when Felicity called him. Or that he took a bullet for her. Granted, I’d like to believe anyone would show up and help if the world was coming to an end, but I can’t help but think that there was an attempt at paternal redemption there to make up for all the times he didn’t show. So is he changing? We’ll never really know, but I like to think he is…and that it’sÂ for the better…and hopefully as such, he won’t bend to Donna’s demands and abandon his daughter again.
Felicity – As the founder and #1 spokesperson of the Oliver can’t-won’t-isn’t-gonna-change movement, I find it ironic how much Felicity has changed. Granted,Â now that we’ve seen her mother’s perspective on change, I’m not all that surprised that she’s so gung-ho on the impossibility of the subject. Nevertheless, Felicity herself went from goth-college-hacker to bright-and-bubbly-blonde-world-saver-CEO, so it can’t be totally impossible, right?! Even her ex-boyfriend made that pretty clear in this episode that this isn’t the Felicity he once knew. But it’s not just the looks and the job, it’s also her moral code — wanting to do good rather than take people down. So if she can change, why can’t Oliver? I mean, I get her point that his one-man-survival-technique is engrained in him now after all he went through on the island, but I still think her never-ever is a little harsh. Granted, it would take a LOT of work and time and proving to her that he’s changed, but as someone who has changed so drastically herself, I would hope she would be more open to it. That being said, they do say history repeats itself and it’s clear that her family history probably hasn’t done her any favors, as Curtis so blatantly pointed out.
Curtis:Â What do you think your parents are talking about?
Felicity: I’m trying not to think about it.
Curtis: Maybe they’re discussing that thing that Noah said before about not having much of a choice.
Felicity: That’s exactly what I’m trying not to think about.
Curtis: Felicity…I helped you save the world. The least you can do is give me a little gossip.
Felicity: Ok, fine. So apparently my dad didn’t leave. My mom kicked him out.
Curtis: Did she tell you why?
Felicity: I think she didn’t want to risk him hurting me. I mean, he could promise whatever he wanted, but he was a criminal– is a criminal. So he inevitably would have gone back to his old habits.
Felicity: What does that mean?
Curtis: It just sounds familiar, that’s all. The criminal who you don’t think can change, the slightly overactive but understandable breakup. Just saying, you and Oliver, Donna and Noah.
I love Curtis and I love that he points it out. Will it make a difference? Maybe. Maybe not. But I like that he’s brought the issue to light. In the past, even Donna said “Oliver isn’t Noah”, but now that Noah seems to be trying to change, would that really be such a bad thing? I just hope that this opens Felicity’s eyes a little so if and/or when Oliver changes, she’s able to see it.
Quentin – Â Oh Quentin. This man has changed so much from season to season that I hardly know where to start. First he was against vigilantism then he was supporting the Arrow then he created a task force to take down the Arrow then he was back to working withÂ Team Arrow then he was helping Darhk then he double-agented it to take down Darhk…thinking about it all has givenÂ me major whiplash. That being said, now that Quentin and Team Green ArrowÂ are working together again to take down Darhk, I’m happy. And hoping it’ll stay that way. Do you hear me, powers that be?! Enough flip-flopping on this one. Quentin needs to stay a good guy and that means working with Oliver and Company. Case closed.
Diggle – Since most of Diggle’s change is a result of outside circumstances or his reaction to those circumstances, it’s hard to say how much he’s really changed. Yes, he killed his brother, something he would’ve never considered doing earlier, but that’s only because of the situation that Andy put him in. For the most part, I like to think Diggle was pretty awesome and stable to begin with and while he’s faced internal struggles lately, I’m not ready to believe that any of that has changed.
Malcolm Merlyn – Malcolm is tricky. It’s not so much that he’s changed, since Merlyn is and always will look out for himself first and foremost, but I do like to believe that he’s opened a little. I mean, reasons aside, he did help Team Arrow a bit last year, even if he did, ultimately, benefitÂ in the process, which is something I don’t think he ever would’ve considered early on in the series. That being said, in Season 1, he believed that the Glades had to be burned down to be saved and now he’s thinking the same for the earth, so not so much change there. But he is looking out for and concerned for Thea, regardless of how she treats him, and the fact that he can consider someone other than himself is an improvement and shows growth. Nevertheless, change or not, MalcolmÂ is still Malcolm and I wouldn’t trust him as far as I can throw him.
Curtis – Curtis hasn’t changed much yet and I am completely okay with it! I like him just how he is. That being said, I know there is some superhero-ness in his future, which on the surface will be a big change, but I hope he still keeps that gee-golly, doe-eyed wonder and optimism about him. It’s what makes his character such a delight and a breath of fresh air in what can otherwise be considered some heavy subject matter.
So back to theÂ question, can people change? Or more importantly, can Oliver change? IÂ think the answer is a vague and ambiguous yes. But whether these areÂ actual changes or just a surface change that may not surviveÂ when push comes to shove, it’sÂ tough to say. That being said, I have hope! TigersÂ may not be able to change their stripes, but in a cityÂ filled withÂ superheroes and magic idols and glowing eyes and people who can build underground citiesÂ and others who can hack nukes from their living room, anything’s possible, right?
TheÂ ArrowÂ season finale airs next Wednesday at 8/7c on The CW.
This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.
Kelly McCormack Talks Favorite Moments in A League of Their Own
[Warning: Mild spoilers for season 1.] Now that you’ve had a chance to watch A League of Their Own, here’s the rest of my chat with Kelly McCormack about her favorite moments of the season. Seeing the iconic Peaches uniforms for the first time wasn’t just a goosebump moment for…
John Griffin and Harold Perrineau Talk From on EPIX Season 1 Finale
[Warning: General spoilers ahead.] How are we doing, #FROMily? In case you missed it this morning, the very good news is that that cliffhanger will be followed by a second season, which was gifted this morning ahead of the linear broadcast of the finale. I always legitimately appreciate when we…
Elizabeth Saunders Talks EPIX’s From
[Warning: General spoilers ahead.] One of the things that makes EPIX’s From such a fun ride is the abundance of Canadian cast members. Elizabeth Saunders, who plays Donna, is a favorite from her turn on the third season of Mary Kills People [streaming on Global TV in Canada and Roku…
Corteon Moore Talks From “Broken Windows, Open Doors”
[Warning: Spoilers for tonight’s episode.] Tonight’s episode of From had us all in our feels as we learned through flashbacks about the Sophie’s Choice Boyd had to make to save his son, and back in the present as Boyd said his piece with Ellis before heading into the woods with…
Pegah Ghafoori Talks From “All Good Things…”
[Warning: Spoilers for tonight’s episode] Tonight on From, Fatima’s anniversary celebration turned into a Colony House of horrors when a misguided Kevin let his monster bae in and she promptly killed him and left the window open for her crew. While the party devolved into terror and sent everyone running,…
Shaun Majumder Talks From “Book 74”
[Warning: Spoilers for tonight’s episode.] Tonight on EPIX’s From, Father Khatri made a bold move, kidnapping Sara instead of turning her in, and then recognizing her as a vessel for some big messages. That startling realization speaks to him on multiple levels–as a man of faith, a man trapped in…
Avery Konrad Talks About Sara’s Struggle in From “Silhouettes”
[Warning: Spoilers for tonight’s episode.] Over the course of the season so far on From, we’ve witnessed Sara’s battle against the voices telling her to to do terrible things, and tonight we saw her unravel further, threatening the Matthews and lashing out in a moment of terror with horrifying results….
Hannah Cheramy Talks From “Choosing Day”
[Warning: Spoilers for tonight’s episode.] Tonight, on EPIX’s From, the Matthews participate in the show’s version of the sorting hat, choosing where to call home–the town or Colony House. At the end of the episode, Julie makes the decision to split from her family and instead settle in with Fatima…
Ricky He Talks From “The Way Things Are Now”
[Warning: Spoilers for episode 102 of EPIX’s From.] Epix’s new series From is two episodes in and it’s already laying the groundwork for a seriously spooky season. Tonight’s episode demonstrated the careful balance of relief and horror that the show hits, with our characters’ worst fears realized, just not when…
Catching Up with Ted Lasso and Previewing Season 2
[Warning: General spoilers ahead.] The not so dirty little secret about how I approach a new series is that I sometimes make a call based on the headspace I’m in at the time. It’s been a minute since I’ve picked up a show after the first season and then binge…
What They Said: Three Revealing Conversations from Survivor’s Remorse “Closure”
WARNING: Spoilers for Survivor’s Remorse “Closure” The latest episode of Starz’s Survivor’s Remorse featured conversations that showed characters really digging deep into their thoughts, emotions and motivations.
Two Takes: The Catch “The Knock-Off”
Who can you trust? If this episode of The Catch was any indication, the answer is just about nobody. Betrayal was running rampant as Felicity (Shivani Ghai) arose from the dead to seduce-con Margot, Gretchen (Maria Thayer, Gotham, The Mindy Project) played gold-hearted Alice 2.0 before swindling Ethan, Tessa jumped…
What They Said: Top 3 Quotable Moments from Preacher “El Valero”
Both Quincannon and Jesse refuse to give up on what they each think is rightfully theirs. While Jesse is struggling to face the consequences of his actions, Quincannon has laid his past demons to rest and is hellbent on moving forward and putting Annville on the map again. Despite a…
What They Said: Favorite Quotes from Supergirl “Worlds Finest”
Oh, Supergirl. That ending was cold. But I can’t hate on you because the latest episode has quickly become one of my favorites.
What They Said: Top 4 Quotable Moments from Black Sails “XXIII”
The dialogue in “XXIII” is phenomenal. It’s always a fun ride when Black Sails carries its viewers along without giving them the chance to catch their breath. When an episode moves at this unforgiving pace, there is no chance for a breather nor is there a respite from the information…
What Lucifer Said: Favorite quotes from Supernatural “O Brother, Where Art Thou?”
Supernatural episodes are almost always funny but thanks to the dialogue and a certain man speaking said dialogue, I laughed a lot during “O Brother, Where Art Thou?” You know, when I wasn’t busy fearing for Sam’s life or wondering what in the world was going on with Dean and…
What They Said: The Flash, “Legends Of Today” and Arrow, “Legends Of Yesterday”
Two nights of Arrow +Â The Flash = what more could we ask for?! I don’t know what it is about blending these shows, but I canâ€™t help but feel that every time they come together, they somehow become greater than the sum of their parts. And thatâ€™s saying a lot…
What they Said: Top 4 Quotable Moments from Graceland “Little Bo Bleep”
Shoot outs. Fake outs. And long-awaited revelations. “Little Bo Bleep” was a jam-packed episode that wrapped up some loose ends and totally frayed others. Â It finally gave us one Sarkissian in jail and pulled back the curtain on Briggs’ master plan, but it also set up Jakes for a world…
What They Said: Favorite Quotes from Poldark “Part 4”
â€œWhat have I told you, I don’t require my wife to crochet and sip tea, but I do require her to remember she’s not a beast of burden.â€ No, Iâ€™m not talking about The Rolling Stones! I have to admit though, just for a second, the lyrics popped into my…
3 Moments of Goodness from Brooklyn Nine-Nine “Johnny and Dora”
The most satisfying part of this season’s finale has to the Jake and Amy kiss. Well, they kiss three times but the last one is the best one — and it means something. The Charles and Rosa dynamic was also great. I love how she’s convinced he doesn’t know anything…